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hello

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and welcome to episode number 29 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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for many the notion that non-human

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intelligences

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whether extraterrestrial

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interdimensional or ultra-terrestrial

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may be operating advanced vehicles in

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the skies above our heads

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is a stretch but one they can wrap their

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heads around

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it only makes sense to most people

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anyway that an advanced species would

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have technology that might very well

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outclass our own

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and if a non-terrestrial species wanted

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to visit our planet

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most can imagine them buzzing around our

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atmosphere before moving on to other

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points of interest

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what is a more difficult notion for

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people to really track with

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is that the intelligences behind these

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vehicles may be

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interacting with us in a more direct and

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personal way

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when you advanced evidence suggesting

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these intelligences may be entering

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people's homes

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and are often taking them back to their

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craft in order to perform a variety of

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some of a medical variety and many

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people will balk

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one has to ask is this knee-jerk

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rejection of this notion

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based on a rational consideration of the

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or is it fueled more by a subconscious

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fear

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of loss of power and agency we are so

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accustomed to being the apex

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intelligence around these parts

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that when we're confronted with

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compelling evidence suggesting we may

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very well not be many people respond out

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of deep seated fear

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we suddenly remember all the less than

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humane actions we've performed on

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animals over the centuries

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continuing even to today and we wonder

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what it would be like to be treated in

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when you add into the mix the apparent

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ability of these non-human intelligences

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to alter human perception and to even

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control

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behavior and you've now entered

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territory that makes most people

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turn around and walk the other way not

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interested in engaging

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in such a conversation and yet that's

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exactly what the literature behind the

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phenomenon suggests all of the above

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entities entering our homes passing

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through solid walls with no more

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than us passing through a fine mist on a

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morning walk

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and seemingly near total control of

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human consciousness

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to the point where people look back with

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confusion and bewilderment

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at the nature of their own actions

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yet another piece of the puzzle that is

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for many people in the general public is

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the sheer number of life forms

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apparently involved and interacting with

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yes you have the grays both short and

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with their large inky black wrap around

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a face that has become the

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quintessential face of the alien for

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but you also have entities that appear

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as well as hybrid species that look very

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between a human and something else and

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tall reptilian types

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and the list goes on for those who've

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had such experiences

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of what is often coined high strangeness

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these kinds of experiences are simply

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not of the sort that can be easily

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into most people's working notions of

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real world indeed without support and

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the ability to process such experiences

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these kinds of encounters can lead many

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to question their very grip

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on reality but this is not about

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a tenuous grip on reality these

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are in every way real events these kinds

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of encounters

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are happening all around the world and

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have been for a very long time

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as it turns out i'm no stranger to high

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strangeness

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and on this week's podcast i'd like to

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offer some of my own families

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personal experiences of this nature

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these are events that shattered former

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notions of what is

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and what is not possible leading to a

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complicated journey in understanding the

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more colorful totality of all that

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a reflection on the personal

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generational encounters

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that have impacted me and my family are

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as we begin this week's podcast let me

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just say

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that i find it very helpful to move back

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and forth

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between the macro and the micro with

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it's important to consider this

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phenomenon from both perspectives

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additional details here and there help

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to fill out the picture

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when we zoom in but pulling back in

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order to see with

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wide focus regularly is also essential

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in order to identify patterns that

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now speaking of patterns that have

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emerged it has become clear

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to those who've studied this in the

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context of other

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elements of high strangeness that the

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ufo phenomenon

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is one of several so-called contact

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modalities ray hernandez of the free

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the ufo phenomenon contact with

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non-human intelligence

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see is that if a human being

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has experienced any one of the contact

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chance to have

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experienced another as well often people

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experience several of these

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modalities i'm talking about

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aspects like contact with non-human

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intelligence not just space aliens

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any kind of non-human intelligence

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and other kinds of visions where people

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beyond ufos that discusses the various

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anomalous phenomenon even though as dr j

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these different kinds of contact

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to a large degree i feel like i'm along

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and the experiences i've had are very

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much part and parcel

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with her nature as a kind of conduit

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up until now i've avoided too much

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discussion of my own experiences

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because i want people to be able to

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engage with these podcasts

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from the perspective that they are

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objectively based not hack jobs

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completely colored by my own experiences

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communicate that one has to be quote

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experienceless in order to be objective

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of course in so many fields of life that

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would be simply impossible

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i also want to be part of the movement

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that encourages experiences to come

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forward

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to share their own experiences because

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we all benefit

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as a result also like jacques valet

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i firmly believe that hearing from

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is key to understanding the ufo

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and now in sharing several different

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encounters i've had

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i want to begin with the episode that

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was the most discombobulating

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the most bizarre and uncanny most full

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of high strangeness of

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here's the setting my wife and i

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wife was also pregnant at the time

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everything was normal up until that

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in the early morning hours i noticed

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movement at the end of our bed so i sat

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up thinking our daughter must have

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gotten up perhaps she's confused for

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getting where she is

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looking for the bathroom or something

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like that i get up to

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speak with her and pretty quickly it

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becomes clear

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based on the appearance and the size

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of this being at the end of our bed that

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this is not our daughter

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that that was the first element of

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bizarreness for me was i just assumed

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if there's somebody at the end of our

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bed it's got to be our daughter who else

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is in the room

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with us but it very quickly becomes

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clear this is not our daughter

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it was humanoid human looking but

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clearly not our daughter

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and had various strange kind of effects

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in and around it as well though very

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hard to explain i'll come back to that a

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little bit later

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anyway i proceeded then to get up and

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move towards

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this being that looked again mostly

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human and

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we perceived it as female i say we

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notice that i'll get to that in a second

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i proceeded to move towards it at this

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point it seemed surprised it

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she seemed surprised that i actually

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could see her

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and it she began backing up

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towards the wall proceeded to back up

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right to the wall

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and threw it and disappeared disappeared

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right through the wall

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then i did a very strange thing i turned

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around and i marched right back to bed

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as if i was just going to go to sleep as

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if nothing strange had happened at all

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of course that's not unusual for people

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in these kinds of encounters

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but we'll get to that later as well

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thankfully as it turns out my wife

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perceived the whole thing

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she saw the whole thing as well she woke

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up as well and was sitting next to me

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sitting up

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without me being aware of this at the

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time and saw the entire event

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now the fact that my wife was awake and

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saw the entire thing

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was essential because as i say i was

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about to try and go back to sleep

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i just turned around went right back to

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bed as if i was going to go to sleep

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she shook me and said you know basically

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what are you doing how can you possibly

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go to sleep

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after what we just witnessed and i was

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in a kind of strange stupor a strange

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state of consciousness

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my behavior didn't make any sense to me

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it certainly doesn't make any sense to

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me thinking back on it

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but thankfully my wife engaged with me

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shook me

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and basically woke me out of that kind

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of weird state that i was in

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and we sat up and we talked about the

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experience

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and then my wife decided to get up and

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check on our daughter

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this is where it gets even stranger

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still because it turns out

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my daughter had strange welts all over

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her body

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the kind that she's never had before and

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never had since

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and perhaps it could have been some

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allergic reaction to the sheets or

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something but it was very strange

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anyway at that point my wife became

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concerned

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what had we just experienced and was

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that responsible for what happened to my

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daughter

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we didn't know but we weren't about to

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stick around

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for the breakfast or to discuss it any

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longer in that hotel room so we packed

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up

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we left in the early morning hours and

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hit the road

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thankfully within a couple hours my

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daughter's

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condition improved all of those welts

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now there's a couple important points

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i'd like to make about the experience

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itself

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number one if it were not for my wife

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preventing me from going to sleep i

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certainly would have gone to sleep

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and i am 99 certain that i would have

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woken in the morning

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and just thought i had a strange dream

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i'm as i say pretty much certain that

402
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would have been my response

403
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i had no hook to hang this experience on

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so i would have woken up the next

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morning and just assumed it was a

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strange dream

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and you have to ask yourself how many

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people are having those kind of

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experiences

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and drawing that very conclusion

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thankfully

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my wife was there with me prevented me

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from going to sleep and that helped

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anchor the experience

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in reality for me not to mention of

416
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course

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we had each other to dialogue with to

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process with

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to try and make sense of this really

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bizarre discombobulating

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experience and this is by the way why i

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feel

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for people who experience these things

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on their own

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as individuals because it's that much

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more discombobulating

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it's that much more unanchored from

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reality from the everyday world and

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they don't have that ability to process

430
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with someone else

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and they certainly don't have the sort

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of mental check that makes you feel

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better knowing that you weren't the only

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one

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that saw this and now i'd like to add

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some additional details

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about the experience itself because

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while both my wife and i experienced

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this entity this humanoid figure at the

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end of our bed

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and we both saw it disappear through the

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wall there were various elements that

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were different

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we saw slightly different things which

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is fascinating

446
00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:03,120
but also again kind of bewildering

447
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:06,639
for instance i saw a full body

448
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and my wife saw just the upper torso

449
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:14,480
to me i saw hair but it looked normal

450
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:17,279
my wife saw hair that was blowing as if

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there was a breeze

452
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blowing pretty strong and making the

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hair move

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very strange on top of that when i

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00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:27,759
turned around to come back to bed

456
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my wife saw this entity come back out

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through the wall

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proceed to go down the sort of hall in

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front of the two beds

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and out the front door of the hotel room

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not opening the door of course just

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passed right through the door

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so my wife saw the entity a second time

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but again i want to draw your attention

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to the fact that we both

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saw this entity but we saw different

467
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:56,000
characteristics slight differences that

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00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,680
make you really wonder what is that

469
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,079
about and it certainly makes you realize

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00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,440
that this phenomenon has the ability to

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effect perception consciousness we both

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00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:08,319
saw it but we saw slightly different

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things

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that of course brings back memories of

475
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the podcast episode i did on the events

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at fatima

477
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where thousands of people saw something

478
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,640
but they saw

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00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,880
different things even the messages they

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received

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i'd also like to add that clearly i am

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someone who's devoted a lot of time to

483
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studying this phenomenon

484
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,960
years and years and years i've

485
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,760
researched it

486
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,840
i've studied as much of the literature

487
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:39,600
as i can get my hands on

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i've listened to many many accounts from

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different experiencers

490
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,000
and i've tried to connect the dots as

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much as i can look for patterns

492
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,120
and whatnot but i still have to say

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after all this time

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after having reported all these other

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00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:56,000
experiences that

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00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,039
different people have had that event is

497
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,679
still very discombobulating

498
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:03,360
even after all these years and by the

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way that happened in 2005

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after all these years i still don't know

501
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:10,480
exactly how to wrap my head

502
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:14,080
around that experience it had a kind of

503
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,679
texture to it a kind of ethos that i

504
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:20,400
can't quite wrap my head around it was

505
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just

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very discombobulating almost like an

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altered state of consciousness

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or almost like we were in a different

509
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realm of reality

510
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altogether for that period of time

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now i'd like to share an experience

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that's much more recent it's happened

513
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since we moved here to north carolina

514
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which happened in 2018 so this was

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within the last couple of years

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this is what happened on a particular

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evening my wife

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and my son were in

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a bedroom and my wife was playing a

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large shamanic mother drum we have a

521
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series of drums

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we used to host drum circles and

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we would have shamanic groups and what

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not come over

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and anyway my wife was playing this drum

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and they were both

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basically inviting contact and

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communication

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with benevolent entities was the

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intention i wasn't involved at all i was

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actually in my office at the time in a

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different room

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but in the same house and what proceeded

534
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to happen was suddenly it sounded like

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there was a

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loud rain storm outside we assumed it

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was raining

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and then we heard a very very loud hum

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00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:37,919
fill the entire house and it sounded

540
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,480
like the hum was coming from directly

541
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above the house

542
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very loud not really mechanical in a

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00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:46,400
clicking kind of way

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more like a loud steady hum and

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we could hear each other talk but it was

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very loud it was the most dominant thing

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on both

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floors of the house what's strange is

549
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,160
none of us not my wife not myself nor my

550
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,480
son went outside to look above the house

551
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to see what was there

552
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,120
to be honest with you i had a kind of

553
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:09,919
strange fear come over me a kind of

554
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,799
feeling of overwhelm and i didn't want

555
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:13,600
to look

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and to some degree i felt like maybe i

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00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,760
wasn't supposed to

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it's hard to know looking back at the

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00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,159
same time it's hard to imagine that i

560
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:24,000
wouldn't have convinced myself to go and

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look

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but for whatever reason we didn't i

563
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,159
didn't my wife didn't my son didn't

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eventually after a few minutes the sound

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00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:34,720
stopped and the rain

566
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apparently stopped my daughter then

567
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,679
proceeded to come in the house

568
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,480
and she asked what was up because we

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00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,720
seem to be acting strangely

570
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,480
and we said didn't you hear that

571
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,480
insanely loud sound

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00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,760
and didn't you get caught in the

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00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,320
rainstorm she proceeded to tell us there

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00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,559
was no rainstorm it's not raining she

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was only just down the block

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00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,240
at the time that this happened and she

577
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,840
didn't hear any strange hum

578
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,039
whatsoever

579
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:05,440
again now in regards to us not going to

580
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,400
look

581
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,720
maybe we thought because it's raining or

582
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:10,080
we thought it was raining anyway we

583
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,360
won't get a good look

584
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,360
but again i still can't convince myself

585
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,840
that would have been enough of a

586
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,360
justification for me not having gone and

587
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,039
at least tried to see if i could see

588
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,799
anything

589
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,320
of course this happens a lot with the

590
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,799
ufo phenomenon people's behavior

591
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,640
is controlled the responses are

592
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,080
controlled

593
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,799
like in the hotel encounter when i just

594
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,720
decided it was a good idea to go back to

595
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,320
bed

596
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,960
i recently read robert hastings talk

597
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,080
about

598
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,760
seeing a ufo above his house and somehow

599
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,280
he had this thought that he shouldn't

600
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,799
take a picture

601
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,679
that he knows looking back that makes no

602
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,039
sense whatsoever

603
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,280
and having a background in photography

604
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,360
he absolutely would have wanted to take

605
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,240
a picture

606
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,360
after having talked about ufos

607
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,679
and the nuclear connection for years and

608
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,360
years and lecturing on this

609
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,039
he certainly would have wanted to have

610
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,120
the evidence of a photo

611
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,000
and yet at the time he just sensed that

612
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,080
he was not supposed to take a photo so

613
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,080
he just looked with his naked eye

614
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,320
but never took a photo there are a lot

615
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,400
of experiences like that that people

616
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,600
report where

617
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,919
their behavior doesn't match what they

618
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:20,880
would normally

619
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:25,600
do now in the introduction to today's

620
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,320
episode

621
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,960
as well as on previous podcasts i've

622
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,200
mentioned the generational aspect of

623
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,720
this phenomenon

624
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,440
that often when people do remember

625
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,720
having experiences

626
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,039
with these non-human intelligences or

627
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:40,480
these

628
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,000
non-conventionally

629
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,240
human intelligences again they take a

630
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,840
variety of forms

631
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:50,240
but when people remember having these

632
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,120
experiences

633
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,080
and they then ask family members they

634
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:56,080
often find there's a generational

635
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,120
component

636
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,600
that their parents may very well have

637
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,640
had experiences

638
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,240
even though they may not have talked

639
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:04,320
about it before then sometimes it even

640
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:04,880
goes back

641
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,159
several generations well after

642
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,559
our experiences my wife and i decided to

643
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,000
follow up with her family

644
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,159
to see if they remembered anything

645
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,679
because my wife did have

646
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,919
a recall of her parents talking vaguely

647
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,240
about something when she was younger

648
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,559
so we asked them about a particular

649
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,280
event that she remembered hearing about

650
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,919
and reluctantly they both talked to us

651
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:29,440
about it but you could tell they were

652
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,760
still

653
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,480
fearful and fearful not just because of

654
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:34,240
the nature of the experience but more

655
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,799
because

656
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,679
the unknown in general just scares them

657
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,880
they don't like

658
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,320
not being able to wrap their heads

659
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:42,159
around something and that's definitely

660
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,039
what happened

661
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,430
this is how the narrative goes when my

662
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,600
wife was a very young girl

663
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:54,320
her family lived for a period of time on

664
00:24:20,070 --> 00:23:54,640
a

665
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,080
so these very bright kind of bluish

666
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,760
white lights were streaming through

667
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,400
into the bedroom he was immediately

668
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,240
terrified because again they're in the

669
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,640
middle of nowhere they're not used to

670
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,159
seeing planes around there

671
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,840
they didn't hear helicopter sound or

672
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,279
anything like that

673
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,360
he turned over and tried to wake up my

674
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,039
wife's mom

675
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,760
but she would not wake up no matter how

676
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,080
much he shook her she would not wake up

677
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,640
it was almost like she was unconscious

678
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,600
at this point

679
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,159
he then heard what sounded like noise

680
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,600
coming from downstairs

681
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:52,240
and of course my wife as a young girl

682
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,640
was

683
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:55,520
downstairs at the time so he proceeded

684
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:56,159
to get a

685
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,080
rifle a shotgun and go downstairs

686
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,159
and from there he perceived that the

687
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,760
noise was actually coming from the

688
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:05,279
basement that goes

689
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,480
underground basically so he then

690
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,200
proceeded to go into the basement

691
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,039
started going down the stairs

692
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,840
into the underground basement he got

693
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,360
halfway down the stairs

694
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,559
and had fear come over him

695
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,799
then he had a very strange notion coming

696
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,080
to his mind

697
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,200
you should go back and go to sleep so

698
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,960
that's exactly what he did he turned

699
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:29,919
around he marched

700
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,960
up the stairs into the first floor

701
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,440
didn't check on the kids walked up to

702
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:36,480
the second floor

703
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,760
back to his bedroom and went to sleep

704
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,559
and that's what happened very strange

705
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,200
and again

706
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:45,440
it is uncanny how just like my

707
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,400
experience

708
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,400
he chose to go to sleep in the most

709
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:49,760
bizarre experience

710
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,520
you can imagine and i'd just like to

711
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,960
finish with a couple of additional

712
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,000
experiences that i've

713
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,440
had this first one is strange and kind

714
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,880
of funny in a way

715
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:03,440
because on a couple different occasions

716
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,400
i've

717
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,520
tried to engage with the c5 protocols

718
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:10,159
and after doing so i've gone outside

719
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,200
late at night

720
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,039
onto our street where we often have a

721
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,559
really amazing view

722
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,799
of the stars over the mountains here in

723
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,640
the blue ridge mountains

724
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,600
and on these two occasions i didn't see

725
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,640
anything in the sky

726
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,960
i scanned the sky all i saw was

727
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:25,840
satellites

728
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,880
planes and stars could see mars and

729
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,679
whatnot but

730
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,159
no sign of something i would call a ufo

731
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,080
on those occasions

732
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,840
what did happen though on two different

733
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,840
occasions is as i'm looking up and

734
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,600
scanning across the sky

735
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:42,000
i notice movement in my peripheral

736
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,200
vision

737
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,320
both times to the left and i would turn

738
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:49,360
and just catch glimpse of what looked

739
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:49,760
like

740
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,480
two shadowy figures going around a hedge

741
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,480
and all i can tell you is as soon as it

742
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,320
happened i immediately thought

743
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,799
was that a rabbit was that a black bear

744
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,159
was that a dog

745
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,919
you know what was that was it deer we

746
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,000
have all those things around here but

747
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:07,600
all i can tell you is it looked like it

748
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,400
was

749
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,120
standing upright humanoid looking but a

750
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,760
very

751
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,679
dark colored shape almost like two

752
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,400
silhouettes that went around quickly and

753
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,919
behind a hedge

754
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,919
and it always happens in my peripheral

755
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,240
vision i've had those experiences

756
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,399
on numerous occasions this particular

757
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,760
event happened

758
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,760
when i'm in the midst of the c5

759
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,840
protocols and looking at the sky

760
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,159
and then ironically see something off to

761
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:34,480
my left in my peripheral vision but just

762
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:35,039
for

763
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:41,510
i'd also like to add that my usual

764
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,399
method

765
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,559
where i feel like i sometimes make a

766
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:46,880
kind of contact but it's a very

767
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,320
kind of obtuse abstract kind of

768
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,080
contact where it feels more like i

769
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,760
receive downloads

770
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,840
is during my meditation practice i

771
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,520
meditate in the morning and in the

772
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:58,799
evening

773
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,240
practice

774
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,559
i will sometimes enter a kind of

775
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:06,000
modality a kind of state of

776
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,200
consciousness

777
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,960
where i feel like information is

778
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:10,799
downloading and

779
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,320
often the next day certain courses of

780
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,919
action will occur to me that i'm

781
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,000
surprised at that i'm surprised i want

782
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,000
to do that or that's what i've decided

783
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,039
and yet something becomes really clear

784
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,120
you could argue this is my higher self

785
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,559
that i'm getting in touch with

786
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,760
and that's why it resonates with me but

787
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,000
it

788
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,240
often feels like something else feels

789
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,640
like some other kind of intelligence

790
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,840
is communicating but not in a typical

791
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:40,480
telepathic you know thought to thought

792
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,120
kind of way

793
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,840
more like direct downloads that's been

794
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,789
at the end of the day what do these

795
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,279
kinds of experiences tell us

796
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,120
they tell us that the conventional

797
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,520
mechanistic view of the universe

798
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,799
is woefully lacking it may indeed have

799
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,240
everything precisely

800
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,840
upside down in the sense that actually

801
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:06,960
consciousness is primary and matter

802
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
and energy are derivatives rather than

803
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,159
the other way around as

804
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,240
scientific materialism would have you

805
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,480
believe

806
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,200
and on that note we've come to the close

807
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,399
of another edition

808
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:23,200
of the point of convergence podcast as

809
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,000
always

810
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,480
let's keep this conversation going and

811
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,679
growing

812
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,840
but until next time friends from deep

813
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,919
within the blue ridge mountains of north